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Kimbrown Kimbrown 10 분 전
If Thompson wanted to release FnF, she would have done it three years ago, not in the next three years.

Business-as-usual Treasury and Business-as-usual FHFA will put FnF in perpetual conservatorship
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Kimbrown Kimbrown 10 분 전
If Thompson wanted to release FnF, she would have done it three years ago, not in the next three years.

Business-as-usual Treasury and Business-as-usual FHFA will put FnF in perpetual conservatorship
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Guido2 Guido2 36 분 전
Sharing a thread I prepared a couple years ago.

https://x.com/GuidoPerei/status/1506772291601895430
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Rodney5 Rodney5 1 시간 전
Vancmike, I wrote this back in 2023, The GSE’s had a limited explicit obligation from Treasury in the amount of $2.25 billion. The FHFA / Treasury could have updated this small amount to an updated amount of $200 billion to purchase obligations, MBS obligations. Rather the Treasury chose to create a new product called the Senior Preferred Stock with an illegal commitment fee attached.

Example: The FDIC insured deposits at $100,000, the FDIC updated that amount by reason of inflation to an amount $250.000 per deposit.

The HERA legislation granted temporary authority to the Treasury to purchase obligations of the Enterprise, above the limits written in the Charter,

Rodney5
Re: None
Saturday, 12/09/2023 7:22:34 PM
Explicit and Implicit

Explicit: The Treasury was authorized by Congress a limit of $2.25 billion to purchase obligations. The $2.25 billion was the explicit obligation. NOTE: to purchase obligations NOT A $200 billion line of credit. Page 14

The amount was increased by Congress in the Charter Act that was amended by HERA to purchase obligations but only under emergency conditions, no emergency existed. The amount today $200 billion as of December 24, 2009, expired on December 31, 2009: and no more. The $200 billion commitment was forced on the GSEs by the FHFA / Treasury by the illegal contract the SPSPA. The GSEs never needed a capital infusion, both Fannie and Freddie were adequately capitalized.

FEDERAL NATIONAL MORTGAGE ASSOCIATION CHARTER ACT
PURCHASE OF OBLIGATIONS BY TREASURY; CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS

The Secretary of the Treasury shall not at any time purchase any obligations under this subsection if such purchase would increase the aggregate principal amount of the Secretary’s, then outstanding holdings of such obligations under this subsection to an amount greater than $2,250,000,000. Page 14

Link: https://www.fanniemae.com/sites/g/files/koqyhd191/files/migrated-files/resources/file/aboutus/pdf/fm-amended-charter.pdf

"The U.S. Government does not guarantee, directly or indirectly, our securities or other obligations." ... (Implicit is not worth the paper it WAS NOT WRITTEN ON).

The United States was not obligated after 1968 to back any debt of Fannie Mae. The United States Taxpayers became obligated when the government took over the two companies.

Originally, Fannie Mae had an explicit guarantee from the United States government; if the entity got into financial trouble the government promised to bail it out. This changed in 1968. Fannie Mae became a private stockholder owned company. Fannie Mae securities received no actual explicit or implicit government guarantee. This is clearly stated in the securities themselves, and in many public communications issued by Fannie Mae. (Other than a limit of $2.25 billion by the Charter Act).

Quote: “Although we are a corporation chartered by the U.S. Congress, the U.S. Government does not guarantee, directly or indirectly, our securities or other obligations. We are a stockholder-owned corporation, and our business is self-sustaining and funded exclusively with private capital. Our common stock is listed on the New York Stock Exchange and traded under the symbol “FNM.” Our debt securities are actively traded in the over-the-counter market.” End of Quote.

Information from: Fannie Mae form 10K Dec 31, 2007
part I, page 1, item 1.

https://www.fanniemae.com/sites/g/files/koqyhd191/files/migrated-files/resources/file/ir/pdf/quarterly-annual-results/2007/form10k_022708.pdf

With the passage of HERA Legislation: (purchase obligations increased with an expiration date of December 31, 2009).

SEC. 1117. TEMPORARY AUTHORITY FOR PURCHASE OF OBLIGATIONS OF REGULATED ENTITIES BY SECRETARY OF TREASURY.

The HERA legislation granted temporary authority to the Treasury to purchase obligations of the Enterprise, above the limits written in the Charter, (Charter limitation of 2.25 billion) up to the point in time of ‘‘(4) TERMINATION OF AUTHORITY.—The authority under this subsection (g), with the exception of paragraphs (2) and (3) of this subsection, shall expire December 31, 2009. Page 18 charter act

Link: https://www.congress.gov/110/plaws/publ289/PLAW-110publ289.pdf
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Lite Lite 1 시간 전
Ano just makes you want to dance like a Charlie Brown character- hope to meet Him as well as others after this journey comes to a fruitful conclusion.
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navycmdr navycmdr 2 시간 전
https://x.com/Ano3020100/status/1860433016985637276?t=9l5cAgFTcbJJaFWa87dwDw&s=19

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navycmdr navycmdr 2 시간 전
https://x.com/Ano3020100/status/1860461849956753777?t=pHbz0Afvd37pZoDK_Rn8sA&s=19

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krab krab 3 시간 전
Crypto RIPPLE, symbol XRP.
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RickNagra RickNagra 3 시간 전
Rule of Law Guy.

45/47 selected Scott Bessent for Treasury Secretary. He will have no problem getting confirmed. Bessent is a master of the universe-level investor with experience operating in various global markets. As a communicator, he is thoughtful, polite, savvy, and (I know, you are waiting for this) he promises to be a facilitator of the GSEs’ recapitalization and conservatorship release. Part of the solution, not part of the problem.

I discuss this at greater length below.

But first, an installment of a new periodic feature of my newsletter: “Fevered Dreams”...
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Lite Lite 3 시간 전
Outing about re-list $ … this could net Govt more cash (cap gains) over the short term money grab and make Govt look favorable towards legitimacy of shareholders who have been waiting 15 plus years for justice to prevail.
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Brooge warrants cancelled Brooge warrants cancelled 3 시간 전
crypto
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amelia43 amelia43 3 시간 전
What’s XRP?
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Brooge warrants cancelled Brooge warrants cancelled 3 시간 전
5x but not a crazy amount
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RickNagra RickNagra 3 시간 전
Thoughts on this ?https://x.com/alan_jimmy_t/status/1860444168054624512?s=46&t=xLP2LlWgJrEMUZZ7Fum-nA
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mrfence mrfence 5 시간 전
Thumbs 👍 👨
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nagoya1 nagoya1 6 시간 전
Are you having a bad day, sunshine…it doesn’t matter what ktshamejoker say,
Bessent is going to help us out.
Fnma
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MRJ25 MRJ25 6 시간 전
I-HUB wizened up.
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Viking61 Viking61 6 시간 전
He got put in Ihub prison
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Sogo Sogo 7 시간 전
Even if Ackman got $23/share that’d be an enormous boost to his portfolio, percentage-wise. Agreed.
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TightCoil TightCoil 7 시간 전
FNMA/FMCC
Everyone on this board has gone nutty talking about Presidential nominees,
everyone except me and those who have ever given me a thumb up.
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Guido2 Guido2 8 시간 전
Agree. But it's more than a hundred million shares as long as the warrants are outstanding. Quite sure the 20+ million shares being traded daily since the elections weren't mainly retail investors. Also, someone mentioned that while trading over-the-counter the reporting requirements are suspended.

Big Guys are taking Big Positions.
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MRJ25 MRJ25 8 시간 전
Wiseman is gone. He wizened up.
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trunkmonk trunkmonk 8 시간 전
other then warrant that most here (but not me) HATE --- how would Treasury get a dime? thats where the KTCarneyCorkerClowns are all wrong and very confused, we dont hate them, they cant be exercised legally, actually we will get good money with or without exercising, if they do, we win all dat money plus pain and time value of money in court. its the time we hate, not the concept. And who says Treasury get a dime after taking more then they were owed, fact is when truth comes out, they took millions for unrelated Government functions. SPSA was illegal according to HERE, there is not one step or second of conserve in that order by SM, it was death spiral financing after extortion and loan sharking, none of them are legal under HERA, at least any normal thinking non hate filled human would interpret it.
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stockprofitter stockprofitter 8 시간 전
We need the NYSE to see what everyone really owns. I’m one to think that more big money HFs have entered positions or looking at entering positions of less than 100 million shares in order not having to report.
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Guido2 Guido2 8 시간 전
https://x.com/MarcRuby/status/1859586908935934048
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Viking61 Viking61 8 시간 전
Help advise with Executive Orders.
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Donotunderstand Donotunderstand 8 시간 전
Anyone

How can DOGE help with deficit as Treasury does not own a single share of common or OTC JPS

SR PREF is "one share and a non tradeable document"

Are all those saying Trump may want cash from F and F for DOGE or simple direction of balancing budget assuming conversion of SR paper to common ? if not ----- other then warrant that most here (but not me) HATE --- how would Treasury get a dime? (I do not hate Warrants - because for those 4B shares to be valuable our 1B need to be valuable - albeit at 20% v 100% ownership of F and F ... still 20+++)
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Clark6290 Clark6290 9 시간 전
Fella, Wingnutt already posted
see post # 805085. Doubtful it will help pps, rather see a reputable analyst opinion.
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Viking61 Viking61 9 시간 전
World of problems? Like we don’t have a World of problems now?
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Guido2 Guido2 10 시간 전
Perishing Capital has $15 billion under management. If the entire portfolio doubles (highly unlikely) it will be $30 billion. Ackman's low valuation in 2014, when they earned much less, was $23. If they get to just $23, his stake in Fannie and Freddie will be worth $4 billion.

Ackman's career has been marked with swinging for the fences. Let's take an average of his 2014 valuation (when NWS was in force and Obama was President) and Patwil's $325. I get an easily doable $174. At this price it would make his FnF stake worth $31 billion.

I think he'll be spending a lot of his time thinking about his Fannie and Freddie investment.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/2476515-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac-the-bill-ackman-perspective-and-huge-return-potential
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jwood9207 jwood9207 10 시간 전
I totally agree with those who have told us to exercise caution, that there is a long battle ahead.
I thought everyone might be interested in this article in the WSJ regarding the battle for Treasury Secretary among Trump loyalists.
https://www.wsj.com/politics/how-scott-bessent-won-the-knife-fight-to-be-trumps-treasury-secretary-a0e5ce33?st=aFP2tL&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
It's a free link. If not, reply to me on this board.
If the fight for Treasury Secretary was a knife fight, the battle over Fannie and Freddie will be nuclear war.
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Sogo Sogo 10 시간 전
Will Warsh have any say as Commerce Sec? Regarding the GSEs fate?
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Sogo Sogo 10 시간 전
But if Ackman views Bessent as being so good for the rest of his portfolio that it’s worth any losses he’d take on the GSE portion of his portfolio, then Ackman might still support Bessent even if Bessent had expressed no desire to free the GSEs.

Granted, I tend to agree with you. But we must consider that Ackman has other interests, too. He’s not solely focused on the GSEs.
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fdicr fdicr 10 시간 전
Paulson dropped out of race since it would be conflict of interest if elected to take FNMA and Freddie out of conservatorship. It is so easy to see. He wouldn't care about office work at the expense of billions.
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navycmdr navycmdr 11 시간 전
115 $Million $Shares $Fannie $Mae - thinks $Scott $Bessent a $Great $Choice !

https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1860349091345015283



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navycmdr navycmdr 11 시간 전
it's the $Fannie/$Freddie $Monday $Bundle-$Rooskido !



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Rodney5 Rodney5 11 시간 전
Vancmike, you are welcome to send letter regarding history as an attachment. Also, you are welcome to join our team. I’ll have a member contact you. Let me know.

Best Regards

-R
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Patswil Patswil 11 시간 전
PPS should be $325/share----at a minimum
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Rodney5 Rodney5 11 시간 전
Vancmike, I appreciate you and everyone that is helping our cause.

Where is "maximize profits for taxpayers" written in the Charter Act? Specifically, in this provision entitled Fee Limitation of the United States:

Neither the Charter Act nor did HERA authorize the Treasury to charge a commitment fee on a line of credit to be paid by the Enterprise. The United States prohibition on assessment or collection of fee or charge to Fannie Mae, (section 304 Fee Limitation). Only Federal Reserve Banks are authorized to be reimbursed of fees, (section 309).

SEC. 304. SECONDARY MARKET OPERATION

Fee Limitation

Quote: “(f) PROHIBITION ON ASSESSMENT OR COLLECTION OF FEE OR CHARGE BY UNITED STATES.—Except for fees paid pursuant to section 309(g) of this Act and assessments pursuant to section 1316 of the Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act of 1992, no fee or charge may be assessed or collected by the United States (including any executive department, agency, or independent establishment of the United States) on or with regard to the purchase, acquisition, sale, pledge, issuance, guarantee, or redemption of any mortgage, asset, obligation, trust certificate of beneficial interest, or other security by the corporation. No provision of this subsection shall affect the purchase of any obligation by the Secretary of the Treasury pursuant to subsection (c) of this section.” End of Quote. Page 16

Only Federal Reserve Banks are authorized to be reimbursed of fees, (section 309).

SEC. 309. GENERAL POWERS OF GOVERNMENT NATIONAL MORTGAGE ASSOCIATION AND FEDERAL NATIONAL MORTGAGE ASSOCIATION

Federal Reserve Banks to Act as Fiscal Agents (Fannie Mae and GNMA)

Quote: “(g) DEPOSITARIES, CUSTODIANS, AND FISCAL AGENTS.—The Federal Reserve banks are authorized and directed to act as depositaries, custodians, and fiscal agents for each of the bodies corporate named in section 302(a)(2), for its own account or as fiduciary, and such banks shall be reimbursed for such services in such manner as may be agreed upon; and each of such bodies corporate may itself act in such capacities, for its own account or as fiduciary, and for the account of others.” End of Quote. Page 29


Link:

FEDERAL NATIONAL MORTGAGE ASSOCIATION CHARTER ACT
As amended through July 25, 2019

link: https://www.fanniemae.com/sites/g/files/koqyhd191/files/migrated-files/resources/file/aboutus/pdf/fm-amended-charter.pdf
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Vancmike Vancmike 12 시간 전
Rodney,

I always enjoy your well thought out posts. I have saved many for future reference. As you, I have written letters to Senators and Congressman. I am currently working on another letter. A couple of questions please, if I may;

1. In your post "For the purpose of a new lawsuit, that any district court has jurisdiction over, by reason of Federal Statute" Would you provide a link or reference to this statute?

2. May I send your letter regarding history as an attachment.

Thank you for all you do.
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wingnutt01 wingnutt01 12 시간 전
https://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/FNMA/opinion
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sekander sekander 13 시간 전
If Bessent is good enough for Ackman, that's good enough for me.
Let's see what kind of bump we get on Monday.
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stink stack stink stack 15 시간 전
We know you work hard Rick....
Take care of yourself.
GLTY
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Wingsjr Wingsjr 16 시간 전
I have almost the same average for all 3 in the 47 YOLO. .58 for FnF and .53 for XRP.
It’s been printing money since the 6th.
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Rodney5 Rodney5 16 시간 전
mrfence, The companies were forced to write down the Deferred tax assets to make them appear bankrupt. Yes, I understand.

The day of the take down Fannie Mae’s core capital of $47.0 billion and Freddie Mac’s core capital of $37.1 billion Totals $84.1 billion. This amount of core capital remained with the companies until the illegal commitment fee started sucking shareholders money into the dark hole of the Treasury. This continues until massive profits were foreseen by the Treasury coming in to the companies as net profit. At this time Treasury implemented the Net Worth Sweep. From the point in time of the start of the collection of the illegal commitment fee until the companies were allowed to retain earnings a total of $301.1 billion was sent to the Treasury.

$181.4 billion Fannie returned to Treasury. Form 10K Dec 31, 2023. Page 9

$119.7 billion Freddie returned to Treasury. Form 10K Dec 31, 2023 Page 5

Total $301.1 billion

For the purpose of a new lawsuit, that any district court has jurisdiction over, by reason of Federal Statute, the Treasury owes the companies the overage payment on total draws in the amount of draws $191.4 billion, the overage payment $109.7 billion, plus compounded interest; (recommended interest payment at a compounded rate of return 10%, in conjunction with the amount the FHFA recommended to the Treasury).

Under the funding agreement the Treasury paid to Fannie $119.8 billion Form 10k December 31, 2023 page 8

Under the funding agreement the Treasury paid to Freddie $71.6 billion Form 10k December 31, 2023 page 5

$191.4 billion total draws from Treasury

Link below to previous writing of explanation of reason for: With a 8-0 jury verdict and former FHFA Director saying the Treasury has been paid in full.

The calculation includes both companies and the calculation starts at the point in time when the Net Worth Sweep was implemented. Calculation of interest payments the Treasury owes Fannie and Freddie Shareholders.

Note: the interest calculation does not include the space in time from the start of the illegal commitment fee period up to the NWS. This amount should be calculated and added to the total amount of interest calculated below.

$301.1 billion sent to the Treasury.
Treasury draws totaling $191.4 billion
Difference of $109.7 billion the Treasury owes to the Shareholders in over payments.

August 17, 2012, Treasury and FHFA agreed to amend the PSPAs, changing the 10% dividend into a “Net Worth Sweep.” The Net Worth Sweep required Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to pay the full amount of their net worth to Treasury every quarter. FHFA Director DeMarco, this non-elected bureaucrat, has been allowed to steal the companies for the Treasury.

From 2012 to 2024

At a compound annual growth rate of 10% on amount Treasury owes Shareholders $109.7 billion. The interest at the rate of 10% on $109.7 billion calculates within a 12 year period of time in the amount of $344.29 billion in interest.

Principal of $109.7 billion plus $344.29 billion in interest = $453.99 billion

The Treasury owes the Shareholders $453.99 billion

Compound Interest Calculator
Initial investment $109.7 billion, length of time in years 12, interest rate 10% annually.

Link to calculator: https://www.investor.gov/financial-tools-calculators/calculators/compound-interest-calculator

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Freddie bagholder Freddie bagholder 17 시간 전
Let’s see if on Monday Scott talks about gses
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tm3141 tm3141 17 시간 전

keywords - private sector, real estate 
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mvecho mvecho 19 시간 전
Everyone should tweet him on x, he is against government overstepping so maybe it will help bring things to light. I responded in one of his posts a few days ago. He spends a lot of time on there so hopefully he'll catch one of our messages about the gross overstepping of the gov.
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FOFreddie FOFreddie 21 시간 전
More DOGE potential action to rein in and privatize GSEs. FHFA is acting beyond its Administrative Intent

https://www.bhfs.com/insights/alerts-articles/2024/cfpb-and-fhfa-on-list-of-agencies-to-see-course-change-under-trump
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Viking61 Viking61 21 시간 전
Rick, I figured that you were in the restaurant business when you talked about a bus coming in and that you had go take care of it. Only those of us in the business know. Wish you the best!
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